Hybrid Lag

UnArMeD_ARMY · Post by **UnArMeD_ARMY** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:35 am

I live on the east coast for now and its smooth for me I get 60-70 which is fine but a member of mine who livez in arizona gets 120-130... I dont see how that happens. He has dsl so its not dial up problem. Can this be solved?

crab · Post by **crab** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 12:24 pm

Sounds like a routing issue. I know someone who lives in New York and pinged around 60 to my level 3 server. It was because ATT (i believe) has a direct route from Chicago to LA so he was connecting to LA over only 4-5 hops.

UnArMeD_ARMY · Post by **UnArMeD_ARMY** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 1:01 pm

Ive had all my members do a traceroute... and it only starts lagging about when it gets to LA but heres the one with the biggest problem (hes in arizona)

1 1 192.168.0.1
2 2 192.168.1.1
3 48 67.41.20.254 (67-41-20-254.tcsn.qwest.net)
4 48 65.100.111.29 (tcsn-agw1.inet.qwest.net)
5 50 207.108.112.202 (tsn-core-02.inet.qwest.net)
6 72 205.171.205.54 (dal-core-01.inet.qwest.net)
7 73 205.171.25.130 (dal-core-02.inet.qwest.net)
8 74 205.171.225.2 (dap-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net)
9 74 209.245.240.165 (so-1-2-0.edge1.Dallas1.Level3.net)
10 76 209.244.15.165 (so-1-2-0.bbr2.Dallas1.Level3.net)
11 118 64.159.0.246 (so-0-2-0.bbr2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net)
12 118 209.247.10.206 (so-9-0.core2.LosAngeles1.Level3.net)
13 117 209.244.10.138 (ge-4-2.ipcolo1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net)
14 120 63.209.70.158 (unknown.Level3.net)
15 118 66.54.92.176 (ua.nuclearfallout.net)

To'mas · Post by **To'mas** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 3:02 pm

Here's my analysis of that trace route:
The third hop is 48 on quest which seems high, but I don't know his phyisical location compared to the isp.
The latency then seems to be okay getting through quest to the first level3 hop in Dallas. It then takes a 50 latency hop on Level3 in Dallas to Los Angeles. Thats not a bad latency number for a trip from Dallas to Los Angeles, I don't think. It then stays stable until the end of the trace route. I would say that the problem is with his ISP, but others may disagree with my analysis. I hope this is correct.

crab · Post by **crab** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 4:44 pm

I would agree for the most part. Looks like the biggest problem is that 3rd hop. Looks like that is the first hop outside of his home, which should be around 10; he might have some routing or infrastructure (cable) issues. The 11th hop takes a pretty big jump too and that looks like a level3 routing issue. For only 15 hops that is a very high ping.

Post by **Edge100x** » Fri Jan 23, 2004 6:47 pm

We always need the IP to do a reverse trace. Only with both tracerts in hand can you do an accurate analysis.

basejumper · Post by **basejumper** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:40 am

I have qwest dsl and it's the same problem. I get 110ms from my work and 120-130 at home. Both places have qwest dsl internet, btw I hate Qwest.

bOoya · Post by **bOoya** » Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:12 pm

bah, there is also a 20 ms jump between 5 and 6. seems like even if the server was hosted on qwest bandwidth hed be lagging. what sucks is that he has to go to dallas before he gets to LA. that like triples the distance between him and server

Post by **Edge100x** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 12:22 am

qwest is horrible bandwidth. I think qwest customers even do badly with servers at InterNAP

|dC|2bit · Post by **|dC|2bit** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:30 am

Qwest DSL? I had that for a while, its sucks especilly if you have more then one computer on it. At one point me and my roomates had to agree to not use the internet while the other was playing.

aBstracT · Post by **aBstracT** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:19 am

|dC|2bit · Post by **|dC|2bit** » Wed Feb 04, 2004 9:23 am

yeah, it was NOT "good times"

basejumper · Post by **basejumper** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:36 am

Internap used to be better then Level3 untill a few months ago, now i get 20-30ms higher on internap compared to level3. But i'm so used to 100+ ping it doesn't matter anymore. There is a server hosted on Qwest bandwidth that i get 60ms and that is the lowest latency that i've got.

However if this thing called utopia (Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency) ever happens oooh i would love it.

"The Utah plan calls for UTOPIA to serve nearly 250,000 households and 34,500 businesses with access speeds of 100 megabits per second, at a monthly cost of $28 per subscriber." If that were true imagine the possibilities.
http://www.utopianet.org/

Post by **Edge100x** » Tue Feb 10, 2004 1:28 pm

Keep in mind that InterNAP Seattle is in Seattle. So if you get better pings to our LA servers then you are probably closer to, or being routed through, California.

If the best ping you get is on a Qwest server, you are probably on Qwest bandwidth yourself. The reason I say this is that Qwest bandwidth is extremely bad and because of its limited peering points it does not ping well to many places outside the Qwest network.

basejumper · Post by **basejumper** » Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:58 am

I'm on qwest bandwidth and i hate it. What i meant to say was, a server hosted on their own bandwidth gets 60ms which is sad.